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Nessa Freemen
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posted on 02-27-2004 at 19:21 |
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I know a gay gay and I want to know if he has sex for the first time anally, would he still be a vir
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B.T.D.T
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posted on 03-01-2004 at 23:26 |
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If a gay guy has sex for the first time anally, then he is no longer a virgin. Think about it. A guy may not have a hymen to worry about but he has an ass hole that will no doubt be widen substantially. And if he's doing the giving, then there isn't much of a difference now is there? Except of course the location of his probing. To say that a guy is virgin just because his sexual experiences were with another man is absolutely ridiculous.
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AdviceMan
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posted on 08-30-2004 at 03:35 |
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First of all Nessa you say that this young man is gay but he has not had his first sexual experience.
He cannot be gay if he has not had his first sexual experience with another man.
The definition of "gay" is 2 men having sexual intercourse with one another.
This young man may tell you he is gay and he may make references to being gay but I have news for you and him.
If he has not engaged in sexual intercourse with another man he is (not) gay he is just very confused at this point in his life.
Have him talk to his minister or seek professional counseling.
If he still feels sexual towards men tell him to come out of that closet and turn the light off behind him.:(
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deucestakeme
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posted on 05-17-2005 at 05:13 |
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Get real, being gay is not a choice, god does not hate gays, get off your high horse.
This is a lie. I don't know where you got your information, but I think you pulled that out of your ass. You don't have to have sex with someone of your sex to be considered gay. That's bs. Being gay means that you are sexually attracted to people of the same sex. Thats it. To get really technical it means you are attracted and act on those feelings. I wish everyone could just get over their homophobia and holyier than thou adittudes. Homosexuals are still humans, if you are religious, then you should believe that all people are created equal, Treat them like it damnit! I am almost 19 I am a proud virgin, and a bisexual. I am bisexual without having ever had sex with a girl.
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guyvirgin1977
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Registered: 10-03-2004 Location: Springfield Missouri
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posted on 05-19-2005 at 02:30 |
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you are scientifically wrong
The whole "It's not their fault it's genetics" arguement has come all but crashing down.
While I know that liberals will argue this for a long time to come, I challenge you to do some REAL research of UNBIASED independent genetics experts, if you do, I think you will find that there is more evidence for a "basketball player" gene than there is for a "homosexual" gene.
There is nothing hatefull about advice man suggesting that he see a minister, he wasn't doing anything wrong, I mean if homosexuals get to preach their point of view then so do Christians...right? Liberals love to point the "intolerance" finger at conservative Christians but isn't that hypocritical?
'You see not long ago, the word 'tolerance' meant 'bearing or putting up with someone or something not especially liked'. However, now the word has been redefined to 'all values, all beliefs, all lifestyles, all truth claims are equal'.1 Denying this makes a person 'intolerant', and thus worthy of contempt.
Where does this leave Christians? Jesus said,
'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me' (John 14:6).
And the apostle Peter said,
'It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved' (Acts 4:10-12).
The new definition of 'tolerance' makes the Christian claims to exclusivity 'intolerant', which supposedly justifies much of the anti-Christianity in the media and the education system.
But this argument is glaringly illogical and self-refuting. That is, if these 'tolerance' advocates reject Christianity, then they are not treating this belief as 'equal'. So, in practice, to paraphrase George Orwell in Animal Farm, all beliefs are equal, but some beliefs are more equal than others. The result is extreme intolerance towards Christianity from people who talk so much about tolerating all views. In short, they are intolerant of intolerance, so logically they should be intolerant of themselves!
Anyway Christians hate the sin but love the sinner, If we want to do our duty and preach against sin we have just as much freedom of speach as anyone else does.
As far as the original question of whether or not anal sex causes a loss of virginity I think the answer is overly obvious but for those of you who can't see it here is your answer.----
Alright, take a deep breath and say it with me: "Oral SEX."
Ever since the whole Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky thing, oral sex has been on everyone's lips (excuse the pun). The Clinton scandal raised a bunch of issues: Is oral sex considered "sex"? If you have oral sex, but "don't go all the way" (have vaginal intercourse), are you still a virgin? And is oral sex safe or can it pass infection? (More on that later . . .)
According to some recent studies, most teenagers define "sex" as vaginal intercourse they don't consider oral sex to be "sex." This isn't surprising, since that's how our culture has traditionally defined sex (which, incidentally, leaves out gays and lesbians altogether). So, there are a lot of self-proclaimed virgins out there who haven't "gone all the way," but will do "everything else but," including oral sex.
The abundance of these "technical virgins" definitely has a lot to do with how society views virginity as a really big deal, especially for girls. Whether you lose your virginity on prom night or on your wedding night, it's your first time and it'd better be perfect and with the "right" person
It is true that some people believe that an intact hymen is proof of a woman's virginity. But many people don't believe the condition of the hymen is adequate for defining virginity. They know that it's possible for a woman's hymen to become stretched open even if she's never had vaginal intercourse.
Many teens say that "having sex" is considered slutty, but "just fooling around" is no big deal. Whether you're having intercourse or "just" outercourse sex play that doesn't involve vaginal intercourse, like oral sex many of the same issues apply.
Despite what some people might think or say, oral sex does count because just as with intercourse, there can be emotional and physical consequences to consider.
When we talk about risk, it's often in reference to physical issues like sexually transmitted infections and pregnancy. But like intercourse, outercourse is sex play that also involves emotional risks. Will having oral sex change how you think about yourself and about your relationship? Will you expect more commitment or emotional closeness from your partner? Will you be doing it for the wrong reasons like, because you think everyone else is doing it or because your partner is putting pressure on you?
It's true that if someone is only having oral sex, there's no worry about getting pregnant. But the physical risk of contracting a sexually transmitted infection is there. Studies show that teenagers, and the majority of adults, rarely use protection a condom or dental dam when having oral sex. Why? Explanations range from, "What's the point?" to, "I don't think it's a high-risk activity."
The risk of contracting a sexually transmitted infection from oral sex is lower than it is from vaginal or anal intercourse but there's still a risk. There are only a few cases in which people may have contracted HIV through oral sex. But infections such as gonorrhea, syphilis, and herpes can be transmitted by having unprotected oral sex, too.
When it comes to oral sex, if you're not with a partner whom you know does not have an infection, then using protection during oral sex is key to reduce the risk of passing infection.
And all of this applies not only to teenagers, but also to everyone including the president of the United States.
how many believe that no matter what sexual acts you engage in, you can still consider yourself a virgin as long as a penis doesn't enter your vagina?
It seems that maybe the rules are loosening a bit on this one, with some people being convinced that oral sex is not sex. In other words, you can blow the entire football team, deal out a few thousand handjobs, receive oral until you're raw, and even go for the occasional anal sex, but still say you're a virgin, if it's only by the slimmest of technicalities?
So do you think that even if a girl has a five-some--- gives a blowjob to a one, whilst simultaneously giving hand jobs to two strangers while getting shagged up the butt by the fourth , she has the right to consider herself a virgin? Is there really anyone out there delusional enough to think that she is a virgin?
Let's be honest. Any time a penis is inserted into ANY bodily orifice, or genitals come into prolonged physical contact with someone's mouth, virginity is lost. Granted, it's not quite the same as going "all the way," but it IS sexual contact, there IS insertion of some kind or another, and there is, ideally anyway , some kind of orgasm.
If you still aren't convinced then please answer these questions yes or no.
Are lesbians who have been given oral sex till they are raw still virgins?
Are homo men who get it up the butt till they are bloody still virgins?
What we've managed to do to virginity would be like rewording the Ten Commandments so that everyone feels that they haven't really committed any sins.
There are those women that believe that if they perform oral sex on every boyfriend they've ever had, and let him get his fingers sticky every now and then, that they're still virgins. Now they may bleed a bit the first time they have sex, but are they really virgins?
They have experience. I mean if she just lies there the first time you insert your member, but can play the flute on your instrument like she's written symphonies, has she really maintained her purity? At what point do we draw the line? When has the line between purity and experience been crossed?
I personally don't think that a girl who can inhale a kielbasa like it's a toothpick necessarily connotes the virgin type. If virginity lies in a hole and is not about experience, then our society has a very warped definition of what virginity really is.
Believe it or not, there are gals out there who will let you get into their anal canals, but will still aver that they are virgins. Anal sex, as well as oral sex (despite what Clinton says), has the word "sex" attached to it because that's exactly what it is. And once you have sex, you are no longer a virgin. Case closed.
So these women are under the illusion that as long as their vaginas remain untouched by the almighty penis, they can still claim to be pure. Pure crud, that is. And if men seem to think that this is a viable argument, then they're just horny and have no qualms about taking the back way in.
If you have had oral or anal sex already and you are thinking That you might as well go and have all the sex you want because you are not a virgin anyway, please rethink this. You can become a recycled virgin at anytime. You can have a second chance at being a born again virgin. Start really saving yourself for marriage from this point on. Then when you get married 3 years, 4 year, 10 years from now you can look at your spouse on your wedding night and say "I've waited for you for X amount of years. I've shown discipline in my life I can be trusted" Now that is special.
In a world were 7 out of 10 married couples under the age of 40 have some sort of infidelity you need spouse you can trust. What you do now is very indicative of what anyone can expect of you in the future.
If you don't control your sexuallity now why would anyone believe you would in the future?
I myself am a 27 year old virgin now and I only date virgins or time proven born again virgins who have been completely abstinent a minimum of 2 years, It might have to be longer depending on their previous sexual experience.
Anyone can change but sometimes you have to prove you have changed.
TRUE LOVE WAITS!
Any Questions? feel free to email me cheesguy1977@yahoo.com
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deucestakeme
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posted on 05-26-2005 at 03:38 |
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sure
Wow you are certainly longwinded. To be honest I only read the first half. I stopped when you started quoting animal farm and the bible. Be original. I never said homosexuality was passed in a gene. You assume that is what I believe. I believe it occurs in the early stages of cognitive development. AS the brain develops in the womb, there is something different in the minds of gays. There have been scientific unbiased studies done on the hypothalamus that show differences in those of homo and heterosexuals. There are also studies about chemicals called pheromones that affect our sense of smell and are different for gay men and straight men. I'm a psychology major...you wnat to talk about the brain...bring it on. Please google it all you want, that's probably where you get most of your facts anyway. Also why do you attack me with the issue of christianity. When did I say, your christian so you hate gays? I asked about religion in general, because most religions teach equality. Get over yourself, don't take it as a personal attack. I was opening up a topic of debate not attacking christianity. The more things are talked about, the more knowledge people have to base their opinions on. No more of this, I believe it because my family does bs.
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guyvirgin1977
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Registered: 10-03-2004 Location: Springfield Missouri
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posted on 05-31-2005 at 02:49 |
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Hey, sorry I had to quote animal farm but it was just a way to address this current liberal junk about the new definition of "tolerance"-- this foolish belief that "noone is right or wrong" or the rediculous statement "what's true for you might not be true for me" I want to see one of those liberals go and tell that to their bank. I can see it now---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TELLER: Good morning sir how may I help you? CLIENT: I would like to withdraw five million dollars TELLER: but sir, you only have four dollars in your account CLIENT: that might be true for you but it's not true for me! Don't try to keep me down with your conservative, right-wing, short-sided, world views! Just give me my five million!
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I will compliment you on the fact that you actually admitted to not reading my arguement just because I put the Bible in it. However you have to listen to the arguement before you give a counter arguement otherwise you will have no idea what you are even argueing and what has already been proven. The Bible has thousands of years of history that is proven by archeology all the time, it also has a lot of wisdom, but even if you don't agree, you can't just plug your ears and scream when your apponent gives a arguement that you don't like.
Now your last arguement you where somewhat specific in your arguement (which is good) however in your other "arguements" you gave no evidence or angle on your arguements what-so-ever and since you didn't give a any specific arguement you said "being gay is not a choice" which made it sound like you were giving was the "it's not their fault" arguement so I gave a counter arguement to the most popular "it's not their fault" argument.
As for your question "When did I say, your christian so you hate gays?"
I didn't say you, you did say that,however You did jump all over advice man who was just trying to say that he should see a minister, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that, there are lots of people that have gotten help from a variety of churches that are no longer homosexual. So change is certainly possible. A great book for you to read would be "CLOSING THE CLOSET: TESTIMONIES OF
DELIVERANCE FROM HOMOSEXUALITY" it's about 15 former homosexual men and 8 former lesbians. This book debunks the myth that individuals are born "gay" and that change
is impossible.This powerful book also features the writing of well-known
scholars in the area of same-sex attraction, Dr. Warren Throckmorton, Sue
Bohlin, and John R. Diggs, Jr., M.D. In fact if you will read it then I will buy you one and send it to you for free.
Anyway in your last post you sounded like you are smart so if you would like to discuss and psych theory I will be happy to discuss any theories you might have just please be specific so the I can be specific.
And please read all of my arguement before giving a counter:D:D:D
Thank you very much:D
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deucestakeme
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posted on 06-01-2005 at 02:50 |
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I did read all of it. Thank you. I have to continue disagreeing with you, however, you seem like you might be pretty open minded. You didn't go into a screaming match just because you don't agree with me. You even complimented me, thanks. Honestly that is a first when it comes to my experience with such debates. I would be willing to read the book, but I personally believe that people who claim to change their sexuality either were unsure about it in the first place, or are lying to themselves. I also didn't say that the reason I stopped reading was just because you quoted the bible. My best friend is a very devoted Christian. I have many deep conversations about it with her. I just don't like it when people fall back on it for proof in a debate. Also I did go back and read the previous post. There were a lot of assumptions made there. Why do you have to eat a girl raw or shag a man until he's bloody? Lesbians and Gay guys have sex just like anyone else, they make love just like normal people. Your previous post makes it seem like anyone who isn't a virgin, especially the gay ones, are vicious animals. By your standards, I am not a virgin. I have given two blowjobs, and had it reciprocated. I however still consider myself a virgin. Does it matter to you that they were both guys I was in a relationship with and cared a lot about. Does that make it different? I agree that anyone who abuses the idea should no longer be considered a virgin, but how many people do you know who have been involved in a gang bang and still call themselves pure? I see where you are coming from, but I don't think you are looking at it from the appropriate angles. There is good and bad to all sides. I'm not really sure where you stand on the issue of homosexuality. You obviously have made you feelings known about promiscuity, but where do you stand on gay rights? Do you think we are some kind of abomination? So far you seem like an intelligent and levelheaded guy, please dont disappoint me now.
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Luckygohappy
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posted on 07-16-2005 at 12:58 |
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omg
'He cannot be gay if he has not had his first sexual experience with another man.'
GRRRRR.... I'd expect better from a "virgin" site; the vast majority of ya'll consider yourselves straight even tho you've never had intercourse with someone of the opposite sex, right? Same goes for gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. Sexual orientation has to do with whom we're attracted to, not whether or not we've participated in certain sexual activities.
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celeste1970
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posted on 01-18-2007 at 19:17 |
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homosexuality and genetics
I am a medical doctor, and although Genetics is not my discipline (Aneasthesiology is); I am well aware that post-mortem studies on male homosexuals have shown very definite differences in the histology of the hippocampus. As no-one is responisble for the cellular structure of their brain, I can only conclude that there is a genetic component to homosexuality.
I am a 36yo highly bi-sexual woman, who embraces her sexuallity rather than suppress it. Before I get stoned to death here by the mob, I do believe in God and life-after-death; I also believe that it is not up to us to judge others....
xxx
celeste
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Gonzalez87
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posted on 01-28-2007 at 03:54 |
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Can't think of a heading lol
God wants some people to be straight, some to be gay and some to be bi. Either that or he's not very good at creation anymore.
If you have anal sex or give a BJ your not sexual inexperienced.
So I guess that means he is not a virgin.
If he likes guys, he is gay. It does not matter that he has not had sex with a guy yet.
If that was the case, does that mean all the staright virgins on here could turn gay?
BTW, Virginguy1977 I think the devil has taking over your soul, such anger and lets face it, you type like a man possessed lol
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